6 million Jews killed
Millions of people in general killed, sentient people infact
The Holocaust killed over 6 million sentient people, Abortions save lives, fetuses aren't even sentient at all, ask yourself this, would you rather have a sentient being saved, OR would you rather have a sentient being saved so a fetus can live a shitty life?
Honestly, people can be fucktards, especially pro-lifers but we all know they're mental fucktards anyway.
Pro-lifers are some of the worst, because they (especially the men) believe they have a say in what a woman can or cannot do with her body.
And wait, pro-choicers fight for womens rights to have a choice in what they wanna do with THEIR bodies, while pro-lifers don't care even if it was rape, and we don't care about the woman? I really think you should sit down.
And you only really cared about how they said that pro-lifers are awful, and said nothing about how pro-lifers relate abortion to the holocaust. Nice.
"Some women will actually die if they do not have an abortion."
women will die regardless if they get the abortion or not. the condition is called being mortal.
"Pro-lifers are some of the worst, because they (especially the men) believe they have a say in what a woman can or cannot do with her body."
lets get one thing strait the child or "fetus" is not part of her body. it dose not even have the same DNA sequence.
"And wait, pro-choicer fight for women's rights to have a choice in what they wanna do with THEIR bodies, while pro-lifers don't care even if it was rape, and we don't care about the woman? I really think you should sit down."
rape only counts for 2% of abortions. yes you don't care about women. why the hell are all these women getting raped, in the first place? and why ain't pro-choicer trying to put a end to that? her private parts are part of her body I think it would be a great choice. for her to keep grown men she want to stay out, stay out. Why not try to pass laws to protect women from this travesty to begin with. educate them on self defense. educate and bring up men to be more honorable. don't do nothing about the crime. then say whoops the women got hurt and now is pregnant. lets jut let her kill the baby and then let her wallow in her pain. see Quick fix! *thumbs-up*. Man! at least with pro-lifers, we try to target this issue by telling people to be sexually pure and both man and woman have respect for their bodies and love and respect one another as human beings. Not see each other as mental “fucktards”.
"And you only really cared about how they said that pro-lifers are awful, and said nothing about how pro-lifers relate abortion to the holocaust. Nice."
yes I did comment about how disrespectful this deviant presented the argument. you have a problem with that?
Pro-lifer compare abortion of the holocaust because they are both a mass genocide. With a mission to get rid of the “undesirables”. simple.
I only grabbed one because one of the ladies shoved it in my way and I didn't want to be rude. I just left it with my friend for her to destroy it.
Not going against you though
Why would you compare abortion to the Holocaust? They are two completely unrelated topics, both sick and twisted, and saying abortion is not an issue because it wasn't as bad as the Holocaust is ignorant and wrong. Yes, the Holocaust was tragic and absolutely terrible, but so is abortion. As humans, we have the right to live, but these aborted fetuses were never given the chance. Even if they were born disabled, they are still humans who have the same right to be on this earth as you do.
I would also like to point out that everyone who supports abortion is already born. Hm.
In any case, abortion is much worse than the Holocaust. The Holocaust has killed 5 million minorities and 6 million Jews. Ever since Roe v. Wade, there's an estimate of 55 million abortions served in America alone. And pro-choicers consider a fetus as a parasite or something considered NOT alive?
(Just putting this out there, this is going to be a VERY long response. Trust me, it’s over 1000 words and took up 4 pages in word. If you honestly don't want to read it all of it and completely ignore it, please don't bother replying.)
Were those 11 million people sentient, born and a human being? Yes. Are fetuses? No.
May I just say though that during the Holocaust, a brave Jewish woman called Gisella Perl performed abortions for pregnant people?
A fetus does not meet the requirements to be called a human being. Just having human DNA is not enough for a fetus to be called a human being. It is not autonomous, sentient or born nor does it have a conscience, like a born human being.
I'm not saying that a fetus is not alive nor am I calling it a parasite as that is incorrect. However, that does not give it the right to use someone's body, resources or organs without continuous consent. Even already born people are not allowed to use someone's body, organs or resources without consent, which is why you aren't forced to give blood or forced donate organs.
Just in case you or someone else replies:
"Abortion is MURDER"
Here is the definition of murder:
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
(Source: From Google)
Abortion is not murder as, a fetus is not a human being. A human being is born, sentient and autonomous. A fetus is not.
There is lack of malice. People get abortions for a number of reasons:
~Lack of finances to care for family,
~Serious medical condition,
~Pregnancy would get in the way of school/work,
~Lack of sex education,
There is no premeditation. Seriously, people do not get pregnant just for an abortion.
You have a lawful excuse for an abortion. No one, born or unborn has the right to use your body, resources or internal organs without continuous consent, regardless of the reason's or circumstance's.
"If abortion is not murder, then why is it that when a pregnant person is killed, the criminal is charged with double homicide?"
Double homicide was put in place by the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (UVVA) in order to further punish the murderer for their crime, that’s it. Part of the Act states that this cannot be used to punish anyone who may obtain an abortion as it is a safe and legal medical procedure.
Furthermore, not every country/state uses double homicide in cases of a pregnant person’s murder, those that do only consider it double homicide if the fetus was considered viable.
Part of the Act itself:
Sec. 1841 subsection (A) 2.C:
”If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.”
1111 being that of murder, 1112 manslaughter, 1113 attempt of murder or manslaughter.
Within the same act, under subsection (C):
”Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.”
“Well, why not just put the baby in the adoption system!!”
Adoption is a way out of parenting, not pregnancy.
”A baby/child has a heartbeat at 18 days!”
Aaaaaand…your point is what exactly? Just because it has a heartbeat does not mean it can use someone’s body without consent.
Also, it’s not a baby/child. A baby/child is born. A fetus is not. Seriously, it’s a fetus until birth.
”Consent to sex is consent to pregnancy!”
No it is not. I consented to sex, not pregnancy. Even if it were consent, CONSENT CAN BE REVOKED AT ANY TIME!!
For example, I make out with my partner and I ask them to stop for whatever reason. My partner keeps on going, despite me not consenting to it. That is invading my rights as I asked them to stop, therefore I did not give them consent to continue.
It’s the same with pregnancy. I got pregnant but shit happens and:
~I lose my job and do not have the money to look after me and my family, let alone another child. So I choose to abort.
~A medical complication pops up with either me, the fetus or both of us. So I choose to abort.
~I have a mental illness and I am not able to care for myself during a pregnancy nor am I mentally capable of caring for a child. So I choose to abort.
~I take medication which would cause serious health issues to the fetus and could potentially result in a miscarriage or disability later on. So I choose to abort.
Furthermore, sex is not always used to procreate. Many people have sex to feel pleasure, express their love for their partner or, because it’s fun, it feels good and that people want to please their partner.
As well as this, sex has been proven to decrease stress levels, lower heart attack risk, improve the immune system, and improve sleep.
”If you didn’t want to be pregnant, you should have kept your legs closed!!!”
Misogyny. Misogyny everywhere. Why do I never hear “he shouldn’t have put his dick in her vagina” or “he should have kept his dick in his pants”? Oh, and your also completely ignoring victims who were raped. Congrats.
Just so you know, I support the choices that people make, whether they abort, continue with the pregnancy or place it in the adoption system.
You choose to continue the pregnancy because *insert reason here*? Good luck! I support you and I wish you and your family the best future.
You choose abortion because *insert reason here*? Fine with me! If that is your decision, I will support you.
You choose adoption because *insert reason here*? Alrighty then! If that is what you feel is best for you, I will support you.
Eh, there's probably mistakes in this but meh. I really couldn't care less, i'm hungry and my dinner is about to be served, cheerio.
The physical side effects include death; increased risk of cervical, ovarian, and liver cancers; uterine perforation (which creates complications and medical conditions including osteoporosis); cervical lacerations; placenta previa (a life threatening condition that includes severe bleeding, fetal malformation, and prenatal death); increased risk of having newborn babies born handicapped in later pregnancies; ectopic pregnancies, resulting in less fertility or infertility; Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID); Endometritis; immediate complications including the following: "The nine most common major complications which can occur at the time of an abortion are: infection, excessive bleeding, embolism, ripping or perforation of the uterus, anesthesia complications, convulsions, hemorrhage, cervical injury, and endotoxic shock. The most common “minor” complications include: infection, bleeding, fever, second degree burns, chronic abdominal pain, vomiting, gastro-intestinal disturbances, and Rh sensitization." (El, 2012); and lowering of the general health (80% for physical health and 180% for psychological health).
"In a study of post-abortion patients only 8 weeks after their abortion, researchers found that 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor." (El, 2012). The mental side effects include depression to the point of suicide, alcohol and drug abuse, eating disorders, sexual dysfunction (loss of pleasure from intercourse, increased pain, an aversion to sex and/or males in general, or the development of a promiscuous life-style), Post-Dramatic Stress Disorders, child abuse, increased smoking with negative health effects, chronic relationship problems and divorce, and repetitive abortions.
You speak of rights. What about women's health? What about morality? You say there is lack of malice, but many overlook the fact that abortion creates even more malice in the long-term.
The site you posted is out of date and complete biased pro life bullshit. Look at the sources and the dates in which they were written/published. Seriously, 1979? 1977? 1990? 1980? If you’re going to source statistics, at least make sure it’s unbiased and up to date. The websites and sources I use have information from health websites or government websites that are unbiased and actually post up to date, correct information which is collected by professionals and studies which have been peer reviewed. I hope you would have done the same, but it’s just the same crap over and over again with you people. Oh, just so you know, linking to LifeSiteNews and other pro life websites are not proper sources.
Honestly, very few women die from an abortion.
“• The risk of death associated with abortion increases with the length of pregnancy, from one death for every one million abortions at or before eight weeks to one per 29,000 at 16–20 weeks—and one per 11,000 at 21 weeks or later.”
(Source: www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ind… )
“A first trimester abortion has less than a 0.05% chance of major medical complications.
Abortions do not cause infertility, ectopic pregnancy, miscarriages, or any other issues related to healthy conception.
Abortion does not cause cancer.”
Seriously, abortion is like every other medical procedure, it carries a few risks and sometimes, death to the few however, that does not mean it should be illegal. Having open heart surgery can increase chest infection, cause heart attack or stroke, cause a blood clot etc etc, the risks go on but, you don’t see me against it, nor do you see me against other medical procedures that are more dangerous.
(Source: www.healthline.com/health/open… )
Also, abortion does not cause mental health problems. But you know what can cause major mental and physical side effects?
PREGNANCY. Here’s a short list for ya:
· Hyperemesis gravidarum
· Postpartum depression
· Gestational diabetes
· High blood pressure
· Placental previa
· Yeast infection
(Sources and longer lists:
Childbirth is dangerous. In fact, it’s more dangerous than getting an abortion.
“Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.
Dr. Elizabeth Raymond from Gynuity Health Projects in New York City and Dr. David Grimes of the University of North Carolina School of Medicine, Chapel Hill, found that between 1998 and 2005, one woman died during childbirth for every 11,000 or so babies born.
That compared to one woman of every 167,000 who died from a legal abortion.
The researchers also cited a study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which found that, from 1998 to 2001, the most common complications associated with pregnancy -- including high blood pressure, urinary tract infections and mental health conditions -- happened more often in women who had a live birth than those who got an abortion.”
(Source: www.reuters.com/article/2012/0… )
But, once again. You do not see me opposing childbirth because it can cause side effects.
“the excuses of wanting abortion irresponsible and irritating”
Uhm. How so? :/ Pretty sure that people wanting to get an abortion because: they have physical or mental health problems, they were raped, they are being abused by their partner, their contraception failed, they are in a financial crises, they are still in school, they are too old or too young are all valid reasons. Often, it’s more than one of these reasons.
“You speak of rights. What about women's health?”
May I remind you that people who get pregnant do not always identify as a woman. Also, look at the paragraph above about pregnancy and childbirth. I care a lot about people’s health which is why I post actual facts and support whatever decision they choose. You know why? Because not everyone is up to giving up 9 months of their life and give birth to something they maybe didn’t even want in the first place. Furthermore, those 9 months could be extremely vital for those still in education as they cannot always attend school or college due to the effects of the pregnancy. If at some point in the 9 months the pregnant person has exams going on, they might not be able to do them. This will make it extremely difficult to get a job as they can come out with either no or poor qualifications. This also means that they cannot properly pay for the care and needs of themselves, the child and any other family members resulting in more poverty.
"Childbirth is dangerous. In fact, it’s more dangerous than getting an abortion."
So... My mother could've been dead after giving birth to 7 children? Or my sister who gave birth to 5 children? Or my neighbor who gave birth to 9 children? I find that very false, as it is self-evident to those around me.
"Honestly, very few women die from an abortion."
And 55 million babies in America, some or most of whom are women, have been killed through abortion. And you say we are committing misogyny everywhere. If you don't believe that the child in the womb is a child at all, then find Dr. Kermit Gosnell on the internet, guilty of killing three babies while alive during an abortion procedure. Here, I'm going to post an example from the Atlantic article to give you some details and why it never made it to front page news www.theatlantic.com/national/a…
"Abortion does not cause mental problems"
And you know this... how? Again, the sources you provided does not cover it. You only covered on how pregnancy can create mental problems. You did not counter my argument against abortion causing mental problems.
"This also means that they cannot properly pay for the care and needs of themselves, the child and any other family members resulting in more poverty."
That doesn't mean they don't have friends or family to help them keep themselves afloat, as proof in the MTV reality show "Teen Moms". You are right that poverty will most likely happen to pregnant teens in school because they dropped out, but abortion is not the answer to everyone's problems to poverty. In fact, it could lead to the medical or the mental problems I described earlier. When it comes to pregnancy and school, teens should seek help from someone, regardless of refusal. If parents are more involved with their children, the likelihood of teens getting pregnant would be low. Teens should be warned about the consequences of sex and pregnancy. If parents refuse to help, they can keep seeking help from other people: friends, charity organizations, etc. If this were to be brought to light more often in the media, think of how much attention this issue would get and how it could help with teaching teens about teen pregnancy.
Abortion: killing a parasite.
And the only time I ever threaten people is when someone is attempting to do harm to certain people who are close to me. let me tell ya, it gets ugly fast.
A fetus before 12 weeks does not feel anything. That is when abortions are usually done, when the fetus does not feel anything.
child- a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
A "fetus" fits that definition too.
also you can not just assume an organism can't feel. we know that the embryo develops and brain, and spinal cord as early as five weeks, and scientist are still debating when it is a unborn child can feel.
what shocks me is the fact your using a terrible argument to justify abortion. When initially my reply was not about abortion rather if Children or "fetus" were parasites or not.
Holocaust killed sentient people painfully and they were not 'wicked' they were Jewish, people who didn't agree with Hitler, Gays, gypsies, the mentally/physically handicapped, the deaf, religious dissidents. while I am annoyed by Jehovah's Witnesses they do not deserve death.
You can't kill what isn't alive to begin with.
Holocaust killed INNOCENT people